SHIUR #26: Himnei Rachmana Le-av -        The Nature and Potency of a Father's Testimony

                    by Reuven Taragin

 Introduction - the scope of 'Himnei'

The mishna (Kiddushin 64a) says that we believe a father  who testifies that his daughter is either married or divorced.   The gemara (63b) quotes an argument regarding the testimony's  potency.  Rav Asi maintains that the father's claim can be the  basis for as monumental a decision as giving her capital  punishment (e.g. by stoning for having had an incestuous  relationship).  Rav, however, counters that "ki himnei  rachmana le-av - le-isura, le-ktala lo himneih"- although the  testimony is deemed reliable enough to prohibit the daughter's  marriage to another, we cannot mete out punishment based on it  alone.

At first glance Rav's opinion seems to be correct.  The  Torah asserts "lo yakum eid echad be-ish le-khol avon u-lekhol  chatat... (Devarim 19:15)" - punishment can only be meted out  on the basis of the testimony of two witnesses.  Even if the  father is believed as a witness, we should still require a  second one in order to execute someone.

Rav Asi can justify administering punishment on the basis  of the father's testimony by challenging one of the two  assumptions we have thus far made: a) that all punishment  necessitates two witnesses, b) that the father's testimony is  not considered to be like that of two witnesses.

I) The Evidence Required to Administer Punishment

A) Evidence Regarding Background Information

Rav's first assumption was that punishment needed to be  grounded in the testimony of two witnesses. Rav Asi might  distinguish between testimony concerning the actual committing  of the crime, and the background evidence essential in order  to establish the criminal nature of the action committed.   Only our verification of a pre-existing marriage can allow us  to brand the later relationship adulterous and punish the  defendant as an adulterer.

The aforementioned pasuk demands that knowledge of the  criminal action come from two witnesses.  What about the  necessary background information?  The gemara (80a) asserts  that "malkin al ha-chazakot; soklin ve-sorfin al ha-chazakot"  - one can be lashed or killed on the basis of a chazaka  (assumed status).  The gemara gives, as an example, the case  of a woman who arrived in Yerushalayim with a child assumed to  be her son.  After having raised the boy, the woman had  relations with him.  On the basis of the community's justified  assumption that the boy was her son, the two were stoned.   (Based on this gemara, the Tosafot Rid (63b s.v. "Ve-rav")  limits Rav's position to cases in which the father's claim has  not yet created a chazaka).

The Yerushalmi (Nazir 8:1) as well claims that background  information can be supplied by one witness.  For example, one  is liable for having eaten a piece of meat previously declared  unkosher by one witness.  Rav Asi might see our case as  analogous to that of the Yerushalmi - we rely on the father's  pronouncement of the daughter's marriage just as we rely on  one witness' disclosure of the meat's status.

B) The Uniqueness of our Case

At this point, we must consider why Rav rejects this  argument.  One possibility is that Rav disagrees with the  basic distinction between testimony concerning the committing  of the crime and that relating to background information.   Although this claim is possible, the Pnei Yehoshua points out  that the Rambam clearly did not understand him in this way.   While, on the one hand, the Rambam quotes Rav's position  (Hilkhot Issurei Bi'a 1:23), he also quotes the gemara  regarding chazaka and the Yerushalmi's application to one  witness (Hilkhot Sanhedrin 16:6).  Obviously the Rambam felt  that Rav accepted the general distinction, but felt that it  was inapplicable to our case.

1) No Chazaka is Established

One way to explain the uniqueness of our case is to  accept the claim of the Shev Shmateta (6:12) that we accept  information supplied by one witness, not as a direct testimony  of a witness, but via the chazaka it creates.  (See Rambam  Sanhedrin for the basis of this claim).  Assuming this, the  Shev Shmateta explains that our gemara applies to the period  within thirty days of the testimony during which time the  chazaka has not yet had time to materialize.  Therefore, Rav  claims that the father's testimony cannot be used as a basis  for punishment.

The Meiri (63b s.v. "Af al pi") agrees with the Shev  Shmateta's focus on the chazaka, but explains why it does not  apply to our case differently - "chezkat eirusin eina  chazaka."  A testimony concerning an eirusin (engagement)  cannot create a chazaka because a chazaka develops on the  basis of people observing a certain reality (for example, a  mother and child living under the same roof).  Eirusin,  however, does not cause a change in reality; its consequence  is merely legalistic.  There is nothing new to observe;  therefore, no chazaka emerges.

2) Our Case Deals with Issues of Personal Status

Even if we reject the Shev Shmateta's claim and assert  that we utilize the testimony of the one witness directly, we  can still justify Rav's opinion by recognizing two other  unique aspects of our case.  The first is that in our case we  are dealing not with a question regarding a piece of meat's  status, but rather with a question of personal status.  One  witness may be sufficient to declare meat unkosher, but he  cannot be the basis of a change in one's status - issues of  status fall under the rubric of "davar she-be'erva" which  require two witnesses.

3) Our Case Involves the Death Penalty

Rav Akiva Eiger (Responsa Pesakim 107) points out that  another distinguishing element of our case.  Here we are  dealing with the death penalty.  Although in meting out lashes  we accept background information supplied by one witness,  applying capital punishment demands definite proof of every  detail; even background information must be based on the  eminent proof provided by two witnesses (or a chazaka).  (Even  two witnesses are questioned extra thoroughly.  See, for  example, Makot 7a.)

The Maharik (Responsa 77) makes a similar distinction  regarding the gemara (80a) referred to above.  The gemara  relies on a chazaka in order to give lashes or to give the  death penalty - based on two independent clauses in the verse.   The Maharik claims that this is because the criteria in the  two cases differ.  In order to give lashes we can rely on any  chazaka; in order to kill, however, we require a chazaka  generated by a tangible reality (ma'aseh gadol).  (The Maharik  accepts the Meiri's distinction, but only concerning the death  penalty, not lashes).

Summary

Rav and Rav Asi disagree whether or not we can execute a  woman on the basis of her father's testimony concerning her  marital status.  We explained that the argument may revolve  around the type of proof required in order to administer the  death penalty. Rav Asi might claim that background information  that is necessary in order to define the action as a crime can  be provided by weaker proofs, such as an assumed status  (chazaka) or the testimony of one witness.  Even if Rav  accepts this basic distinction, he might reject its  application to our case because of: a) the lack of an assumed  status in our case (due to technical timing considerations or  because there is no change in reality), b) the fact that we  are dealing with an issue of personal status, c) the fact that  we are discussing the death penalty, as opposed to mere  lashes.

II) The Status of the Father's Testimony

A) The Source of the Father's Reliability

Even if Rav Asi admits to the requirement of two  witnesses regarding background information (at least in this  case), he can justify convicting the daughter based on the  father's testimony by claiming that we view the father's  testimony as analogous to that of two witnesses.  This  classification of the father's testimony hinges on the  gemara's analysis of the basis of the father's reliability  (64a).

The gemara begins by linking the father's reliability to  the concept of "be-yado" - the fact that the father has the  capacity to otherwise achieve the result that he claims to  already be true (i.e. he has the authority to marry off his  daughter).  According to this explanation, the reliability of  the father would assumably be analogous to that of any other  eid echad (one witness).  The father requires the be-yado just  as any other eid echad does in a situation where he attempts  to prohibit something (Tosafot 65b "Nitmau").

After challenging this suggestion by pointing out that  kiddushin is not really within the father's control (since  marriage requires the husband's consent), Rav Ashi links the  reliability to the pasuk - "Et biti natati la-ish ha-zeh"  (Devarim 22:16)- which tells of a father affirming his  daughter's marriage.

What remains unclear at this point is the relationship  between Rav Ashi's pasuk and the first suggestion.  At first  glance one might assume that Rav Ashi disregards the concept  of be-yado.  The Ritva (Ketuvot 22a "Minayin"), however,  claims that the pasuk merely teaches us that kiddushin IS  considered to be be-yado of the father (even though he does  not control the husband's consent).  The Torah does not relate  directly to the father's reliability; it merely asserts his  CONTROL which implies reliability.  According to the Ritva,  Rav Ashi does not present a new concept; he uses the pasuk to  simply justify the previous explanation.  Thus, according to  the Ritva, the father's reliability seems to be analogous to  that of any eid echad.

The Ramban, on the other hand, seems to have understood  the gemara differently.  The mishna asserts that the father is  only believed regarding the daughter's marriage and divorce,  not concerning the possibility of her having been captured.   If captured she would be rendered unfit to marry a kohen  because of the possibility that she had been defiled during  her captivity.  Rav Ashi explains that since the pasuk refers  only to the daughter's marital status, the father's  reliability extends no further.

At this point the Ramban (Ibid "Ha") wonders why the  father is not believed with a "migo" (literally -"since;"  figuratively - since one could, potentially, have accomplished  the same end with a variant claim which we would have  accepted, we accept the claim that he actually makes). The  father could have prohibited his daughter to the kohen by  claiming that she had been married to a mamzer (bastard),  rather than claim that she was once captured.  After  suggesting that the migo is flawed, the Ramban explains that  even had it not been, it would be inapplicable; here we are  dealing with formal eidut (testimony) which a migo cannot  assist.  Formal eidut must survive on its own inherent  legitimacy - it cannot be buttressed by external supports.

The Ramban assumes that we view the father's testimony as  formal eidut.  This seems to imply that the father's testimony  is like that of two witnesses, and not merely the informal  reliability of one (that can be buttressed by a be-yado or a  migo).  This point, only implied by the Ramban, is made  clearly by the Ritva (Ibid. "Nishbeit"). This approach sees  Rav Ashi, as suggesting a radically new approach to the  father's reliability: - his testimony is not seen as the  equivalent of merely an eid echad, but, rather, of two eidim.   (The only explanation I have for the apparent contradiction  between the Ritva in Ketuvot and Kiddushin is that he changed  his mind in between the writing of the two commentaries).

This approach assumes that the requirement of two  witnesses for all testimony, is not an intrinsic necessity, an  end in itself, but merely a preeminent means.  Two witnesses'  significance lies in the fact that we view them as the  ultimate means of establishing fact.  The Torah teaches us  that a father, the one responsible, and thus best informed of  his daughter's status, can play the same role.

The fact that we can buttress the evidence of one witness  through the arguments of be-yado or migo, indicates that he is  not accepted as absolute fact.  He merely convinces us in  relative terms.

Retraction

The divergent understandings of the father's reliability  are the backdrop of the debate between Provencial and Spanish  Rishonim (Responsa of Chakhmei Proventzia 13-15) regarding the  possibility for the father to retract his testimony based on  an "amatla" (an explanation given for the earlier erroneous  testimony).  The Shev Shmateta (Ibid.) explains that only the  analogy between the father's testimony and that of two  witnesses would allow for the application of the principle  "keivan she-higid, shuv eino chozer u-magid" which disallows  the retraction of formal testimony.  If the father's  reliability counts merely as the informal testimony of one  witness, though, it is flexible enough to allow for  retraction.  This linkage is borne out by the formulation of  Rav Yaakov Propei (Ibid. 15) - "acher she-hatorah he'eminto,  harei hu ke-shnei eidim ksheirim, ve-acher she-hu ba le-beit  din ve-he'id...eikh yukhal lihiyot chozer u-magid." (Once the  Torah believed the father as two witnesses, he cannot retract  his testimony.) (See Chiddushei Rav Akiva Eiger Bava Batra  127b for another implication of this issue).

B) Rav Asi's Basis

The comparison of the father's testimony to that of two  witness' might be what allowed Rav Asi to recognize the  testimony as a basis for punishment.  The Shev Shmateta  (Ibid.) circuitously links Rav Asi to this understanding of  the father's reliability.  He posits that the death penalty  can be enforced only once a verdict is irreversible.  The  possibility of a witness' retraction of his testimony would  undermine the finality necessary for implementation of an  irrevocable death sentence.

Based on the afore-mentioned linkage to the issue of an  amatla based retraction, the Shev Shmateta asserts that Rav  Asi would administer capital punishment on the basis of the  father's testimony only because he considers the testimony to  be as immutable as that of two witnesses.  Rav, on the other  hand, rejects execution because he equates the testimony to  that of the standard eid echad who retains the right of  retraction.

According to the Shev Shmateta, Rav Asi needs to view the  testimony like that of two witnesses only in order to  eliminate the possibility of retraction.  It is possible to  suggest, perhaps, that Rav Asi requires the analogy for a more  fundamental reason?  The Torah demands two witnesses as a  basis for any punishment since two witnesses halakhically  establish fact.  Only if the father's testimony is considered  like that of two witnesses can it take their place.

C) Rav's Response

Rav could respond to this possible claim of Rav Asi by  rejecting one of it's two assumptions: a) that the father's  testimony is equivalent to that of two witnesses, b) that the  basis for punishment need not necessarily be the testimony of  two actual witnesses, but merely the equivalent.  The Ritva  (Ibid.) claims that Rav disagrees with the second assumption -  "ein soklin, ela bi-shnei eidim mamash -" the Torah demands  the testimony of two actual, real - life, individuals.   Alternatively, Rav may dispute the first assumption by  claiming that the father's testimony equals no more than the  average testimony of one witness.  (See Responsa of  Maharshadam Even Ha-ezer 9 for an additional way of explaining  Rav's understanding of the father's testimony.)

D) Two Tracks

The nature of the father's reliability may depend on his  testimony's specificity.  The gemara discusses the argument  between Rav and Rav Asi in the context of the mishna which  refers to a case in which the father declares his daughter's  marriage, but does not name the husband.  This contextual  connection implies that the argument deals with this specific  case.  (See Shita Lo Noda Le-mi {63b s.v. "Mahu"} who  discusses this question).  Why, though, would the argument  relate to only this case?

The pasuk that Rav Ashi used as a source for the father's  reliability - "et biti natati la-ish ha-zeh" refers to a case  in which the father names the husband (ish ha-zeh - this  specific man).  Rav might have understood this textual nuance  as aiming to distinguish between a case in which the father  names the husband and a case, like that of our mishna, in  which he does not.  Rav agrees that the pasuk equates the  father's testimony to that of two witnesses, but this is so  only in the case of the pasuk in which the father tells a  complete story - one that includes the husband's name.  Where  his testimony does not include this crucial component,  however, the father's testimony is accepted, but valued only  like that of any other eid echad.  Thus, conviction is  possible only in a case in which the father names the husband.

III) Summary

The shiur dealt with the various understandings of the  argument between Rav and Rav Asi regarding the possibility of  executing a woman on the basis of her father's testimony  concerning her marital status.  We explained that the argument  could relate to one of two general issues: a) what type of  proof enforcement of the death penalty demands, b) what level  of proof we consider a father's testimony to be.

Regarding the first issue we explained that even though  all agree that we require the testimony of two witnesses  regarding the actual committing of the crime, Rav Asi might  claim that background information necessary to define the  action as a crime can be provided by lesser proofs, such as an  assumed status quo or the testimony of one witness.  Even if  Rav accepts this basic distinction generally, he might reject  its application to our case because of: a) the lack of an  assumed status in our case (due to technical or conceptual  circumstances), b) the fact that we are dealing with an issue  of personal status, c) the fact that we are discussing the  death penalty, as opposed to mere lashes.

Alternatively, the argument may focus on the nature of  the father's reliability.  Execution on the basis of the  father's testimony may be possible for Rav Asi only because he  views the father's testimony like that of two witnesses.  Rav  disagrees because he views the testimony like that of merely  one witness, or because he requires as a basis for punishment,  not merely the equivalent of two witness, but two actual  individuals.

 

Sources and questions for next week's shiur:

1) Kiddushin 64a; the second mishna and the gemara until the  next mishna with Rashi. Ba'al Ha-maor, Milchamot (2 lines before the wide lines), "Ve- R. Natan" until "amar R. Natan nami ne'eman"; Rashi s.v. Ve-R.  Natan.  According to R. Natan, does the husband's claim have  any significance?  If yes, what and why?  Is the husband's  recantation significant?

2) Bava Batra 5b (3 lines from the end) "chazaka" until 6a  (second line) "leshaker"; Tosafot 5b s.v. Mi.  Is the sugya in  Bava Batra dependent on the machloket of Rebbi and R. Natan in  Kiddushin? Ramban Kiddushin 64b s.v. R. Savar, until "yoter me-chaverta."   Are the chazakot in the two sugyot similar?  Is the "ma li  leshaker" similar? Ramban Milchamot (last 3 lines, starting "ve-im tomar").  Is  there a difference between a claim made by the husband that he  never had brothers and a claim that he no longer has brothers?   Why?